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L'AQUILA, Italy, 10 July 2009 - The countries of the Co-Chairs of the OSCE Minsk Group released the following today:

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Joint Statement on the Nagorno-Karabakh Conflict by U.S. President Obama, Russian President Medvedev, and French President Sarkozy at the L'Aquila Summit of the Eight, July 10, 2009.

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We, the Presidents of the OSCE Minsk Group's Co-Chair countries France, the Russian Federation, and the United States of America affirm our commitment to support the leaders of Armenia and Azerbaijan as they finalize the Basic Principles for settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.

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We are instructing our mediators to present to the Presidents of Armenia and Azerbaijan an updated version of the Madrid Document of November 2007, the Co-Chairs last articulation of the Basic Principles. We urge the Presidents of Armenia and Azerbaijan to resolve the few differences remaining between them and finalize their agreement on these Basic Principles, which will outline a comprehensive settlement.

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Fact sheet
The ministers of the US, France, and Russia presented a preliminary version of the Basic Principles for a settlement to Armenia and Azerbaijan in November 2007 in Madrid.

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The Basic Principles reflect a reasonable compromise based on the Helsinki Final Act principles of Non-Use of Force, Territorial Integrity, and the Equal Rights and Self-Determination of Peoples.

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The Basic Principles call for inter alia:

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return of the territories surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijani control;
an interim status for Nagorno-Karabakh providing guarantees for security and self-governance;
a corridor linking Armenia to Nagorno-Karabakh;
future determination of the final legal status of Nagorno-Karabakh through a legally binding expression of will;
the right of all internally displaced persons and refugees to return to their former places of residence; and
international security guarantees that would include a peacekeeping operation.
The endorsement of these Basic Principles by Armenia and Azerbaijan will allow the drafting of a comprehensive settlement to ensure a future of peace, stability, and prosperity for Armenia and Azerbaijan and the broader region.
link:https://www.osce.org/mg/51152

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💙❤💚🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿💙❤💚Nagorno-Karabakh, one of the ancient residential and cultural centers of Azerbaijan, is part of Karabakh in general. During the Soviet era, in 1923, the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region was established in the mountainous part of Karabakh. In fact, at the root of the problem is the claim of armenians, who have been resettled in Karabakh since the 18th century, to take possession of Azerbaijani lands.
The armenian-Azerbaijani Nagorno-Karabakh conflict began in 1988 with the armenians' open territorial claims to the historical lands of Azerbaijan and ethnic provocations. armenians represented in the Soviet Union, the leadership of the armenian SSR, and the armenian Diaspora abroad began to take action in the early 1980s to use the weakening of the USSR's central government to annex the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region to armenia.
In 1987-89, more than 250,000 Azerbaijanis were forcibly expelled from their historical lands, 216 of them were brutally killed and 1,154 were injured.
KARABAKH BELONGS TO AZERBAIJAN!!!!💙❤💚
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Menurutku, enggak. Mau diserang dari timur-barat secara beriringan pun akan susah.
Jerman gagal membobol Stalingrad setelah dikepung setengah tahun. Setelah Stalingrad pun, Jerman masih harus bagi konsentrasi pasukan ke utara (Moskva) dan selatan (Kaukasus dan Azerbaijan). Dibantu Jepang dari timur? Gak mungkin. Siberia itu gede asu. Penduduknya sedikit. Alamnya keras. Yang bisa mereka lakukan cuma explore terus gak habis-habis. Jarak Harbin, Manchuria ke Irkutsk sekitar 1700 km. Mungkin dengan perjalanan darat, Jepang mampu mencapai Irkutsk dari Harbin dalam waktu sekitar 2 bulan. Kota terbesar setelah Irkutsk adalah Novosibirsk, Tomsk, Krasnoyarsk. Jika empat kota itu berhasil direbut, kota mayor selanjutnya adalah Yekaterinburg, jaraknya 1400 km dari Novosibirsk. Belum lagi kota-kota di Kamtchatka seperti Vladivostok, Soviet pasti mati-matian jaga Vladivostok.
Dengan asumsi Jerman membagi serangan ke utara dan selatan dan lebih fokus ke selatan, Jepang juga bakal sangat kerepotan dan habis suplai di tengah jalan. Pasukan Jepang harus jalan dengan jarak 5-6 kali panjang pulau Jawa, berarti suplai yang dibutuhkan itu buanyak banget. Belum lagi, Jepang harus fokus di Asia Timur dan Pasifik. Lepas kontrol sedikit, koloni pasti berusaha lepas. Sia-sia jika Jepang bantu Jerman di Soviet, karena gede asu.
Soviet juga sangat dibantu sama geografinya. Ukurannya yang astaghfirullah badag pisan itu jadi tembok dan persembunyian yang bagus banget buat apapun; nyimpen pasukan, nyimpen tempat tes, nyimpen kilang minyak, dan lain-lain. Jika sampai Azerbaijan jatuh pun, Soviet masih ketolong sama minyak Siberia. Pasukan Soviet bisa bikin ambush misal ketika pasukan Jepang berangkat menuju Tomsk dari Novosibirsk, karena banyak desa-desa dan kota-kota kecil yang tersembunyi di antara 2 kota itu.
Ngancurin basis industri Soviet di Ural? Soviet tinggal bikin pusat industri tersembunyi di Kazakhstan atau Uzbekistan. Distribusi pasti akan jadi masalah jika kota di antara Moskva dan Kazakhstan jatuh, tapi ingat, ukuran Soviet yang gede itu jadi advantage sendiri.
In the end, aku bisa bilang, keputusan siapapun untuk nyerang Soviet atau Rusia adalah hal terbodoh yang pernah dilakukan. Bisa mah bisa, but it will take forever just to reach Moscow from either side. Belum lagi bahaya dari jantung Siberia yang bisa dijadikan apapun. Jadi, kalo kamu disuruh pilih potong kakimu atau nyerang Rusia/Soviet, ruginya potong kaki masih jauh lebih sedikit daripada pilihan kedua.
-SaleelSawarim

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Soviet bakal tetap punya upperhand meskipun Stalingrad jatuh.
Buat Jerman, Stalingrad cuma posisi bottleneck biar serangan dari Volga dan Kaukasus bisa diredam. Jerman pun agak salah karena kunci Soviet bukan hanya di Moskva; Moskva cuma salah satu dari banyak kunci. Yang paling penting adalah menguasai Kaukasus, Kazan, dan Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan yang paling penting, karena sumber minyak utama Soviet ada di sana.
Kehilangan Azerbaijan = kehilangan bahan baku industri. Soviet akan jatuh jika industrinya jatuh. Dengan jatuhnya Stalingrad, maka Jerman seharusnya mampu bergerak ke selatan untuk rebut Kaukasus dan Azerbaijan. Namun, karena fokus Jerman ke Moskva, jika Stalingrad jatuh pun, gak akan ngaruh banyak. War effort akan tetap kencang, karena industri tetap jalan, terutama di Siberia.
Itulah kenapa aku berani bilang invasi ke Soviet adalah blunder terbesar Jerman, meskipun itu memang cita-cita Jerman.
-SaleelSawarim

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